PNC 03/01/17

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Minutes

Record of the meeting


1 - ATTENDEES

1.1 - Members of the PNC

Attending jokeefe: James O'Keefe, Massachusetts, USPP Vice-Chair, acting rep. for MAPP Bosun, USPP Chair Sayyida, Rep. from WIPP Zarathustra: Ambasdor from CAPP Viktyr, Wyoming

Excused

Unexcused

Probation

1.2 - At Large Members of the PNC

1.3 - Officers of the PNC

1.4 - Other Attendess

2 - PROCEEDINGS

  • Meeting called to order at: __:___pm EDT
  • Meeting chaired by _________
  • Secretary for this meeting is _________
  • Quorum is established: ___ out of 8 Members present
  • Logging Enabled: Yes

3 - Review of previous minutes

http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_(blank-1)

4 - REPORTS

4.1 - Short Report From Committees

IT Committee

5 - Agenda Items

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- AOB -


  • Next meeting: ______ at _:__PM EDT
  • Meeting closed: ____________

Logs of the Meeting

* Now talking on #uspp
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<Zarathustra> ok home now
<jokeefe> I think posting on the blog regularly would get interest
<Bosun> How about we reconvene in two weeks and use Riot. Please try and recruit more attendees ...
<Zarathustra> whoa
<Zarathustra> wait
<Zarathustra> we done?
<jokeefe> Riot works
<jokeefe> We have it.
<Bosun> Why not we only have four participants.
<Zarathustra> k, lemme say a few quick things
<Zarathustra> I think we got all officer invited to the capp slack
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[9:25pm] jokeefe: ahoy Channel6
[9:25pm] Zarathustra: I think it'd be great if you guys introduced yourself in the #the_embassy channel on our slack
[9:26pm] Sayyida: ok. I'll assume I'm too young to understand the jargen for IRC
[9:26pm] Zarathustra: And whats the story on officer elections? Is there a date for that?
[9:27pm] Sayyida: what is slack???
[9:27pm] Bosun: Excuse me while I install a client.
[9:27pm] jokeefe: done
[9:27pm] Zarathustra: californiapirateparty.slack.com
[9:27pm] Zarathustra: or www.slack.com to see what slack is
[9:27pm] Sayyida: ok i had no idea what slack was.
[9:28pm] Sayyida: why isn't uspp
[9:28pm] Zarathustra: We played with Riot. I love it in terms of principle and values but we found the usibility of the UI lacking WAY behind slack
[9:28pm] Sayyida: meh. ill look it up
[9:28pm] Zarathustra: and Discord
[9:28pm] Zarathustra: There is also HipChat
[9:28pm] jokeefe: how did you find Discord?
[9:28pm] Zarathustra: Personally, I've been pushing for http://rocket.chat
[9:28pm] papegaai: Title: Rocket.Chat (at rocket.chat)
[9:28pm] jokeefe: Thinking of setting up a mattermost server
[9:28pm] Sayyida: so who's paying for the use?
[9:29pm] Zarathustra: Its okay but suffers from some of the same issues as slack
[9:29pm] Zarathustra: free one
[9:29pm] Zarathustra: TRYING to switch to rocket.chat
[9:29pm] Sayyida: ok? I am on the main page I see nothing
[9:29pm] Zarathustra: free, open source, self-hosted etc etc
[9:29pm] Zarathustra: you gotta be invited
[9:29pm] Zarathustra: for the california page
[9:30pm] Zarathustra: So about the elections, when exactly does that take place?
[9:30pm] Sayyida: you should not have to have a private invite to get to the PP
[9:30pm] Sayyida: it must be open
[9:30pm] Sayyida: fully accessable
[9:30pm] Zarathustra: Here is that etherpad btw
[9:31pm] Zarathustra: I agree
[9:31pm] Zarathustra: All the more reason im pushing us towards rocketchat
[9:31pm] Sayyida: i thought we were looking at slack
[9:31pm] jokeefe: muckrock has a sign up form. they have over a thousand people in their slack.
[9:31pm] Zarathustra: https://pad.riseup.net/p/5VJYAqOALQ3r  <--- for South Carolina!
[9:31pm] papegaai: Title: Riseup Pad (at pad.riseup.net)
[9:31pm] Sayyida: or hip chat
[9:31pm] Sayyida: all data must be seen
[9:32pm] Sayyida: all data must be recorded
[9:32pm] Sayyida: and transparent
[9:32pm] Sayyida: names
[9:32pm] Sayyida: dates
[9:32pm] Sayyida: open transparency
[9:32pm] Sayyida: this is not a secret party
[9:32pm] Zarathustra: ?
[9:32pm] Zarathustra: wasn't suggesting otherwise
[9:33pm] Sayyida: okeef, what say you?
[9:33pm] Sayyida: papegaai? who are you?
[9:33pm] papegaai: Sayyida: Error: "who" is not a valid command.
[9:33pm] jokeefe: it is a bot
[9:33pm] Sayyida: ok
[9:33pm] jokeefe: I believe davidd set it up
[9:33pm] Sayyida: ah ok
[9:34pm] Sayyida: IRC is old and dusty
[9:34pm] Zarathustra: Its antiquated
[9:34pm] Sayyida: if you have to have a code or invite and if your history is deleted ect than its not ok to use
[9:34pm] Zarathustra: Presents several barriers to entry too
[9:35pm] Sayyida: yes, if you have never used anything like it
[9:35pm] Sayyida: young people don't know the system well
[9:35pm] Sayyida: but this has history
[9:35pm] jokeefe: plus conversation only works in realtime
[9:36pm] Zarathustra: ...still antiquated
[9:36pm] Sayyida: yes, but its solid
[9:36pm] Sayyida: no bugs
[9:36pm] Sayyida: open
[9:36pm] Sayyida: free
[9:36pm] Sayyida: and trasparent
[9:36pm] Zarathustra: and only 4 people are here
[9:36pm] Sayyida: yes
[9:36pm] Sayyida: and only 3 of us have given names
[9:37pm] Sayyida: transparency
[9:37pm] Zarathustra: Oh, your taking a potshot at my use of a handle?
[9:37pm] Sayyida: no
[9:37pm] Sayyida: you were asked to identify yourself
[9:37pm] Sayyida: you did not
[9:37pm] Sayyida: transparent
[9:37pm] Zarathustra: Musta missed that
[9:37pm] Sayyida: yea
[9:38pm] Zarathustra: I was driving
[9:38pm] Zarathustra: why the hostility?
[9:38pm] Sayyida: lack of structure
[9:38pm] Bosun: That is the fact of our anachy.
[9:39pm] Zarathustra: So, about those officer elections...
[9:39pm] Bosun: anaarchy
[9:39pm] Bosun: crap
[9:39pm] Sayyida: so creator of a religion who are you
[9:40pm] FaerieGodfather joined the chat room.
[9:40pm] jokeefe: ahoy FaerieGodfather
[9:40pm] Sayyida: hows mazada?
[9:40pm] FaerieGodfather: Ahoy!
[9:40pm] Bosun: Hello
[9:40pm] Sayyida: Ahoy! FaerieGodfather!
[9:41pm] Viktyr left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[9:41pm] Bosun: OK I'm on Riot.
[9:41pm] Zarathustra: H FGf, never met  Who ya with?
[9:42pm] Zarathustra: @Sayyida gotta maintain anonymity, sorry
[9:42pm] Sayyida: who elected you
[9:42pm] Sayyida: no
[9:42pm] Sayyida: that is not acceptable
[9:42pm] Sayyida: who elected you
[9:42pm] FaerieGodfather: Zarathustra: I am currently failing to organize the Wyoming Pirate Party.
[9:42pm] Bosun: It is Jerry Brown..
[9:43pm] Sayyida: no Mazada put them in charge
[9:43pm] Zarathustra: oh sweet FGf, can you add some info to https://pad.riseup.net/p/5VJYAqOALQ3r
[9:43pm] papegaai: Title: Riseup Pad (at pad.riseup.net)
[9:43pm] Sayyida: as a leader you must not be hidden
[9:43pm] Zarathustra: still trying to wrap my head around everything and everyone
[9:43pm] Sayyida: we are having that problem in our country
[9:43pm] Sayyida: identify.
[9:44pm] Sayyida: anonn is not acceptable in a party pushing transparency
[9:44pm] Zarathustra: Wow, why the hostility?
[9:44pm] Bosun: A political party need legal recognition. That means people with addresses and real names.
[9:44pm] Zarathustra: There are many reasons one might require more discretion
[9:44pm] Sayyida: what? a NDA is needed?
[9:44pm] Zarathustra: I wasn't elected anything
[9:45pm] K`Tetch: then they can't organise a pirate party
[9:45pm] Bosun: What?
[9:45pm] Zarathustra: I am acting as ambassador to CAPP
[9:45pm] Sayyida: then you can not speak
[9:45pm] Sayyida: you can't be elected
[9:45pm] Zarathustra: Seriously?
[9:45pm] Sayyida: yes
[9:45pm] K`Tetch: core plank 1 is government accountability and transparency, thats party oficers
[9:45pm] Zarathustra: I cant speak
[9:45pm] Sayyida: you can not
[9:45pm] jokeefe: last I knew anyone can speak
[9:46pm] Zarathustra: I can't SPEAK
[9:46pm] Zarathustra: Your serious?
[9:46pm] Sayyida: no you don't have officer status
[9:46pm] K`Tetch: while core plank 2 is personal privacy, that doesn't extend to action as a political representative, only to your private life
[9:46pm] Sayyida: you will not identify
[9:46pm] jokeefe: reps. from states are not officers
[9:46pm] Zarathustra: ^
[9:46pm] jokeefe: and this meeting isn’t just for officers, last I knew.
[9:46pm] FaerieGodfather: Zarathustra: I have added the link to our Facebook page, and my name and email address. I am asking my First Officer which email address to use.
[9:47pm] Zarathustra: And I never claimed to be an officer
[9:47pm] Sayyida: yes but he cant call him a rep of cali if there isn't an election
[9:47pm] jokeefe: That said, we need to make sure state reps. have been elected
[9:47pm] Sayyida: especially if there isn't a party
[9:47pm] Zarathustra: Awesome, thanks FGf. We'll be in touch
[9:47pm] FaerieGodfather is now known as Viktyr.
[9:47pm] Zarathustra: Same ship, mate. Same ship...
[9:48pm] Zarathustra: So I would like to raise a concern of mine
[9:48pm] Viktyr: Viktyr Gehrig, at your service. I do not normally use the FGF nick, but I was rudely disconnected.
[9:48pm] Bosun: Hi Viktyr.
[9:48pm] Zarathustra: Every step I take trying to get involved I've been met with hostility: WHY?
[9:48pm] Sayyida: i saw you timed out viktyr
[9:48pm] Sayyida: you can not be annon here
[9:48pm] Sayyida: you have to identify
[9:48pm] Sayyida: if you rep calli
[9:48pm] Zarathustra: I come here trying to help the pirate movement and I'm met with resistance
[9:48pm] Sayyida: you have to identify
[9:49pm] Bosun: Bull shit!
[9:49pm] Sayyida: Bosun "they" don't understand pirate party
[9:49pm] Sayyida: if you want to help, you must follow rule
[9:49pm] Sayyida: rules*
[9:50pm] Bosun: You can't lead and open reform hiding behind a mask.
[9:50pm] Sayyida: chaos may be the worlds natural state but in a system of govern there can't be chaos
[9:50pm] framca15: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/YGBIGFuH/
[9:50pm] Zarathustra: Guys
[9:50pm] Zarathustra: I'm an ambassador on behalf of CAPP
[9:50pm] Zarathustra: that is all
[9:50pm] Viktyr: Now, I have no authority, but it seems to me that someone should be able to join this channel, attend our meetings, and participate in the discussion anonymously. But in order to represent a state party and vote in party decisions, a verifiable identity should be required.
[9:50pm] Zarathustra: I'm here
[9:50pm] framca15: He's here as an ambassador, not an officer
[9:50pm] Sayyida: then you can not be an ambassador
[9:51pm] framca15: He's not here to call shots, he's here to listen
[9:51pm] Sayyida: rep by whos authority
[9:51pm] framca15: Not rep, ambassador
[9:51pm] framca15: He's not here to add anything on behalf of Cali
[9:51pm] Sayyida: ambassadors have to answer to someone
[9:51pm] Viktyr: It seems to me that an "ambassador" in this case is simply anyone who wishes to have their concerns heard.
[9:51pm] framca15: ^
[9:51pm] jokeefe: anyone can speak on this channel. only state reps. can vote
[9:51pm] framca15: Don't we owe that right to our constitutents?
[9:51pm] Sayyida: then there are only still now 4 of us
[9:52pm] Bosun: Yes but then they represent themselves.
[9:52pm] Sayyida: as far as i can see is cali has poor manners
[9:52pm] Zarathustra: Sayyida, let's handle this privately.
[9:52pm] Sayyida: do not send a box to display a rose and the beauty of a field
[9:52pm] Bosun: Constituents implies election.
[9:53pm] framca15: Constitutents implies community
[9:53pm] Sayyida: no privacy for this discussion is not apropiate
[9:53pm] Zarathustra: So, about the officer elections. Is there a date for that?
[9:53pm] Bosun: Are you running?
[9:53pm] Zarathustra: I'm inquiring about details.
[9:53pm] Sayyida: mazada. whatever rep you are. we will not take this discussion quietly
[9:53pm] Sayyida: this is about transparency
[9:55pm] Sayyida: discussing who you are with and credintals are not a private item
[9:55pm] Sayyida: this is a transparent party
[9:55pm] Sayyida: and that is one of the cores
[9:56pm] Sayyida: if you want to be a facist or communist they will take your annon there
[9:56pm] Sayyida: this party is based on freedom and transpancy
[9:56pm] Sayyida: you can not sit behind a mask
[9:56pm] Zarathustra: I'm literally just asking for details on officer elections.
[9:56pm] Sayyida: you can not hold a facad.
[9:56pm] Sayyida: who are you repping from cali?
[9:56pm] Zarathustra: And I've invited USPP officers to come introduce themselves to the California Pirate Party
[9:57pm] Sayyida: then let them introduce themselves
[9:57pm] Zarathustra: I just invited them to Sayyida...
[9:57pm] Sayyida: ok
[9:58pm] Zarathustra: Why are you so mad at me? I'm trying to help build and grow the pirate party. I should be welcomed.
[9:59pm] Zarathustra: Can anyone provide me details about the election of new officers for the USPP?
[9:59pm] framca15: I can't, sorry
[9:59pm] Sayyida: ok zarathustra
[9:59pm] Zarathustra: Can anyone please respond about my idea of having USPP officers come say "hi" to the CAPP community?
[9:59pm] Sayyida: i know you hate being known
[9:59pm] Bosun: When will the California representatives come to the meeting?
[9:59pm] Sayyida: you use a time based text message system
[10:00pm] jokeefe: We need to set a date to have the election, and then announce it so that we can get nominations
[10:00pm] Sayyida: listen annon isn't something we support
[10:00pm] Sayyida: jokeefe cool
[10:00pm] jokeefe: Well, masspirates are more flexible in that regard, but we do prefer to know who is speaking
[10:01pm] Sayyida: Same with Wisconsin
[10:01pm] Zarathustra: @bosun I don't think anyone else would come
[10:01pm] Zarathustra: I am doing much of the leg work over here
[10:02pm] Sayyida: well ask your party rep
[10:02pm] framca15: on a tangential note https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3wJjLXjySg
[10:02pm] Bosun: I propose first Wednesday of April.
[10:02pm] Sayyida: bosun sounds good
[10:02pm] Bosun: For elections.
[10:02pm] framca15: I maaaaaay be able to make that
[10:02pm] framca15: I'll see
[10:02pm] Bosun: If we have an address for California, or a phone number ... I can send an engraved invitation.
[10:03pm] Zarathustra: Ahh, I'll get you the address!
[10:04pm] Bosun: bosun@wipp.coop 414-628-3380
[10:04pm] Sayyida: If its a PO box I can find the owner
[10:04pm] Zarathustra: So no dice on introducing yourselves to CAPP?
[10:05pm] Sayyida: if CAPP has be sent here why can't they come to all of us
[10:05pm] Sayyida: this is universal terf and why do we have to lose recods and data if we go to another system
[10:05pm] Sayyida: again transparency
[10:05pm] Bosun: We can have  the next conversation on riot if that makes people more at home.
[10:06pm] Sayyida: aye
[10:06pm] K`Tetch: really, Sayyida - could you find out who has the one next to mine, they're always blocking me from getting access to my box
[10:06pm] Sayyida: yea whats the address
[10:06pm] Sayyida: give me a few weeks
[10:07pm] jokeefe: I introduced myself to CA PP slack
[10:07pm] jokeefe: I have met jdshutt personally and talked with Orion
[10:07pm] Sayyida: i did it so a woman could get her ex hung for his 10,000 in child support
[10:07pm] Zarathustra: I kinda meant a more formal intro so our membership can understand who party leadership is
[10:08pm] jokeefe: such as?
[10:08pm] Zarathustra: Cool, where'd you meet jdshut?
[10:08pm] Sayyida: why can't CAPP come here
[10:08pm] jokeefe: HOPE XI
[10:08pm] Zarathustra: Awesome!
[10:08pm] Zarathustra: He's going to be a great asset moving forward
[10:09pm] Zarathustra: I hadn't talked to him too much yet because we have yet to get the ship out of the harbor so to speak
[10:09pm] Zarathustra: So in all seriousness though guys
[10:09pm] Zarathustra: Why am I met with such hostility here
[10:09pm] Zarathustra: We are all pirates
[10:09pm] Zarathustra: And I'm trying to help
[10:10pm] Zarathustra: And I'm doing a lot for CAPP
[10:10pm] Bosun: We are into an hour ... time to wrap this up.
[10:10pm] Zarathustra: So I'd appreciate not being attacked for remaining anonymous. Or, idk, being accused of sexism in the mailing list
[10:11pm] Zarathustra: Bosun. Jokeefe. Can you say anything on the subject?
[10:11pm] Sayyida: what are you talking about?
[10:11pm] Sayyida: the annon thing is fair game for it is here
[10:11pm] Sayyida: but what on the mailing list?
[10:11pm] jokeefe: getting something from official from CAPP that you are their rep would be good.
[10:12pm] Bosun: Yes.
[10:12pm] Sayyida: agreed
[10:12pm] Zarathustra: My first time here I linked everyone to the youtube of our first meeting
[10:12pm] jokeefe: If they say they are ok with you being anonymous, then fine
[10:12pm] Zarathustra: I was named ambassador there
[10:12pm] jokeefe: ok, will review. thanks
[10:13pm] Zarathustra: Or you could visit our Slack channel, where I invited you, that should suffice.
[10:13pm] Zarathustra: I'm not okay with me being anonymous
[10:13pm] Zarathustra: there are many reasons why someone might require it
[10:13pm] jokeefe: understood
[10:13pm] Zarathustra: and @Sayyida can DISAGREE with that, but show a little more respect
[10:14pm] Sayyida: no
[10:14pm] jokeefe: <direct> 
[10:14pm] jokeefe: I like that
[10:14pm] jokeefe: being direct
[10:15pm] jokeefe: kind of spartan, too 
[10:15pm] Sayyida: oi
[10:15pm] Sayyida: even spartans didn't stand for masks
[10:16pm] Viktyr: I have been informed by members of the IT security community that the reason they are not represented in the Pirate Party is that many of them would consider it career suicide to be associated with us.
[10:16pm] jokeefe: Well, they wore helmets
[10:16pm] jokeefe: Zarathustra, some of us have had issues with people being anonymous and doing disruptive things
[10:16pm] Sayyida: true, and my bloodline wore paint and masks but yet meetings were open and held by reps
[10:17pm] Bosun: Can we correspond about getting the election going on SAB. And I assume we are doing this on Riot so the huddled masses can join.
[10:17pm] Zarathustra: That I understand. By all means remain skeptical
[10:17pm] Zarathustra: I'll allow my work to speak for itself
[10:18pm] Bosun: Mr. O'Keefe ... you have anything more to offer before we adjourn?
[10:18pm] Zarathustra: @Viktyr I can confirm this as well
[10:19pm] Zarathustra: btw Viktor, sorry I dont know anyone, where ya from?
[10:20pm] Viktyr: Wyoming.
[10:21pm] Sayyida: jokeefe yar there?
[10:22pm] Bosun: Since we have nobody here, we are adjourned.
[10:22pm] Zarathustra: Take care all!
[10:22pm] Sayyida: tell mazda i said hi
[10:22pm] Sayyida left the chat room. (Quit: Ex-Chat)
[10:23pm] Bosun left the chat room. (Quit: Leaving)
[10:24pm] jokeefe: night all