PNC 11/16/16

Agenda

• Help local chapters get started
• Review new cover for No Safe Harbor

Attending

• Bosun: Joseph, Chair, Wisconsin
• jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Vice Chair, Massachusetts
• Bluestreak: Lucia Fiero, Secretary, Massachusetts
• dennyj_: Dennis Jacobs, Minnesota
• Marty: Marty Marks, New York Pirate Party
• roarde: Robert Deering, Georgia
• glompix: Stuart, interested observer, WA
• Mass: Andrew Thomasson, Missouri
• Sayyida: Sayyida from Wi
• jasonblack

Meeting Minutes

 
[9:00pm] Bluestreak: When should we ID?
[9:01pm] glompix joined the chat room.
[9:01pm] jokeefe: that would be good
[9:02pm] jokeefe: Bosun is chair
[9:02pm] Bosun: Josep Klein uspp/chaqir Wisconsin
[9:02pm] Bosun: https://pnc.piratenpad.de/PNC-2016-11-16
[9:02pm] jokeefe: thanks
[9:02pm] Bosun: for notes
[9:02pm] jokeefe: James O’Keefe, Vice Chair, Massachusetts
[9:03pm] Bosun: Much better
[9:03pm] Mass joined the chat room.
[9:03pm] Bluestreak: Lucia Fiero, Secretary, Massachusetts
[9:03pm] Bosun: Don't be shy, please self identify
[9:03pm] dennyj_: Dennis Jacobs, Minnesota
[9:03pm] Marty: Marty Marks, New York Pirate Party
[9:04pm] roarde: Robert Deering, Georgia
[9:04pm] jasonblack joined the chat room.
[9:04pm] glompix: Stuart, interested observer, WA
[9:05pm] Mass: Andrew Thomasson, Missouri
[9:05pm] Sayyida joined the chat room.
[9:05pm] Bosun: Lot's of lurkers ... please speak up
[9:06pm] Sayyida: Sayyida from Wi
[9:06pm] Bluestreak: It's ok to lurk isn't it?
[9:06pm] Bosun: Yes ... we are free spirited pirates
[9:06pm] jasonblack: Josh R, Fabulous St. Louis, MO
[9:06pm] Sayyida: stalk stalk stalk
[9:07pm] Bluestreak: I have something to put forward small thing
[9:07pm] Bosun: Go ahead
[9:07pm] glompix: i think many of us are new to politics
[9:08pm] jokeefe: lurkers are fine
[9:08pm] jokeefe: yes glompix
[9:08pm] Bosun: Better politics by amateurs than professionals
[9:09pm] Bluestreak: https://scontent.fbos1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/q81/s480x480/15109597_10210762634966480_6483162187233852808_n.jpg?oh=8f7ed0464ed08cfac5b84603fb0268bc&oe=58CBFC3C
[9:09pm] Bluestreak: This image is a proposed cover revsion
[9:09pm] Bluestreak: I like it.
[9:09pm] Bluestreak: Jeff Wolfe drew it up but was unable to attend
[9:10pm] jokeefe: much more eye catching and exciting
[9:10pm] Sayyida: I like it
[9:10pm] Bluestreak: Purple is our color.
[9:10pm] roarde: nice. distinctive, yet still clean.
[9:10pm] jokeefe: or orange …
[9:11pm] Bluestreak: I am submitting for endorsement
[9:11pm] jokeefe: fine with me
[9:11pm] Sayyida: neeeeh pirate purple
[9:11pm] Bosun: Go for it.
[9:11pm] Bluestreak: well the USPP site uses purple so..
[9:11pm] Mass left the chat room. (Quit: Web client closed)
[9:11pm] Bosun: So do we (WI)
[9:11pm] Bluestreak: Can you call a vote, sir?
[9:11pm] glompix left the chat room. (Quit: User abort with 5 Ctrl-C's)
[9:11pm] roarde: hey, wait
[9:11pm] Bluestreak: OK
[9:11pm] roarde: the Twain quote
[9:11pm] Bluestreak: Good
[9:11pm] Bluestreak: Discussion
[9:12pm] Bosun: How do the assembled feel?
[9:12pm] glompix joined the chat room.
[9:12pm] jokeefe: just run it past the person organizing the printing
[9:12pm] Bosun: agreed
[9:12pm] shauna joined the chat room.
[9:12pm] Mass joined the chat room.
[9:12pm] roarde: you're aware Twain was a huge proponent of copyright extension, and is releasing "new" freshly-copyrighted works _to_this_day_?
[9:12pm] jokeefe: it isn’t paid for by us, so get the approval of the people behind the book
[9:13pm] jokeefe: book is in the public domain IIRC
[9:13pm] Bosun: Unfortunately he is dead so it is hard to engage him in a discussion
[9:13pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:14pm] Bluestreak: This is just for endorsement
[9:14pm] jokeefe: so to glompix’s point, how can we help people get up to speed quickly
[9:14pm] jokeefe: I am in favor of it
[9:14pm] Bluestreak: To submit to the ppl responsible for publichsing
[9:14pm] Bluestreak: I am too. The current cover is boring
[9:14pm] jokeefe: For new folk we are talking about replacing the cover of No Safe Harbor with this https://scontent.fbos1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/q81/s480x480/15109597_10210762634966480_6483162187233852808_n.jpg?oh=8f7ed0464ed08cfac5b84603fb0268bc&oe=58CBFC3C
[9:14pm] disrpt joined the chat room.
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[9:15pm] jokeefe: for the cover on this http://www.nosafeharbor.com/
[9:15pm] Bluestreak: Current cover https://www.amazon.com/No-Safe-Harbor-United-States/dp/1468033999
[9:15pm] papegaai: Title: No Safe Harbor (at www.nosafeharbor.com)
[9:15pm] jokeefe: thanks
[9:16pm] Bosun: I would like it if we can decide on one or two point of contacts in the newly or reorganizing states.
[9:17pm] jokeefe: My only suggestion would be to include danah boyd in the Essays by … on the top back cover
[9:18pm] masslap joined the chat room.
[9:18pm] jokeefe: so any objection to recommend that we change the cover of No Safe Harbor from https://www.amazon.com/No-Safe-Harbor-United-States/dp/1468033999 to https://scontent.fbos1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/q81/s480x480/15109597_10210762634966480_6483162187233852808_n.jpg?oh=8f7ed0464ed08cfac5b84603fb0268bc&oe=58CBFC3C
[9:18pm] jokeefe: [9:14pm]
[9:19pm] jokeefe: ?
[9:19pm] glompix: i like the purple, sounds great to me
[9:19pm] jokeefe: just cutting to the chase … 
[9:19pm] Bosun: Yes - what do we wish to discuss?
[9:19pm] jasonblack: If I might offer a left-field thought on the getting ppl up to speed point...how about a Pirate Party "Platform"...use something like drupal CMS with multisite...main USPP site would contain all reading material and other info and new 'child' sites could be created from it for state parties. kill 51 birds with one stone
[9:20pm] Bluestreak: Can we move on to a vote on the cover 1t?
[9:21pm] Bluestreak: Unofficial
[9:21pm] Bosun: Call the vote on the cover
[9:21pm] jokeefe: jasonblack - please join https://lists.riseup.net/www/info/pirate-it
[9:21pm] papegaai: Title: pirate-it - Pirate Party (US) - IT (at lists.riseup.net)
[9:21pm] jokeefe: and lets hash it out.  sounds like an interesting idea
[9:21pm] jokeefe: crew.uspirates.org uses Drupal
[9:21pm] Bluestreak: approve of cover say aye Aye
[9:21pm] masslap: aye aye
[9:21pm] jokeefe: as does masspirates.org/crew
[9:22pm] Bosun: cover aye
[9:22pm] Marty: cover aye
[9:22pm] roarde: aye
[9:22pm] jokeefe: but the blogs tend to use wordpress
[9:22pm] Sayyida: aye
[9:22pm] dennyj_: Is anyone attending allowed to vote?
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[9:23pm] Sayyida: yes
[9:23pm] jokeefe: should only be reps from states, but it isn’t a sensitive issue
[9:23pm] Sayyida: nope never mind
[9:23pm] jokeefe: so yeah, we need more state party reps 
[9:23pm] Bosun: since I think this is more an advice vote I don't think it mattera
[9:24pm] Sayyida: sorry not paying much attention at the moment
[9:24pm] Bosun: Vote closed
[9:24pm] Bluestreak: Unofical endorsement passes?
[9:24pm] Bosun: Yes
[9:24pm] Bluestreak: I will tell Jeff. Someone should reach out to K'tech.
[9:25pm] Bluestreak: Jamie, could you?
[9:25pm] jokeefe: so we have been responding to hello@ email alias as requests come in. would be good to have at lease one contacts in each state.
[9:25pm] Bluestreak: I will draft the email and everything
[9:25pm] jokeefe: sure, will do Bluestreak
[9:25pm] Bluestreak: I'm done thanks
[9:25pm] Bosun: Ok ... we need to work on establishing functioning new states
[9:26pm] Bosun: Ideas
[9:26pm] Bosun: ?
[9:26pm] Bluestreak: A very simplified guide
[9:26pm] Bosun: California looks like it can resell fast
[9:26pm] jokeefe: aye
[9:26pm] Bosun: regal ...
[9:26pm] Bluestreak: I have been attempting to sumplify the start up proces in my emails
[9:26pm] Bluestreak: so I have a blog post there, I just need to assemble it
[9:27pm] jokeefe: https://wiki.pirate-party.us/Main_Page has each of the states and it someone up to date.
[9:27pm] papegaai: Title: United States Pirate Party (at wiki.pirate-party.us)
[9:27pm] jokeefe: suggest bringing it up to date and reaching out to contacts
[9:27pm] Bosun: We need to revive our bylaw and have an election by end of year
[9:28pm] Bluestreak: Can't rememeber if I have editing priv
[9:28pm] jokeefe: This also has some https://blog.pirate-party.us/states/  Added Maine
[9:28pm] papegaai: Title: States | United States Pirate Party (at blog.pirate-party.us)
[9:28pm] jokeefe: updated California
[9:28pm] Bluestreak: Would check my password file but it died when my HD failed
[9:28pm] jokeefe: on the wiki? Bluestreak  request a new password
[9:28pm] Bluestreak: Oh that's map's so pretty!
[9:28pm] Bluestreak: USPP yes
[9:30pm] jokeefe: I can create aliases for each state
[9:30pm] Bosun: OK - What state do we have and in what shape?
[9:31pm] Bosun: I know ... look at the friggin map
[9:31pm] jokeefe: CA, MA, WI are most active
[9:31pm] Marty: NY here, we're looking for someone to step in to run the state party (neither Jay nor I can do it due to work/time constraints)
[9:31pm] jokeefe: ME is getting sped up
[9:31pm] Bosun: cool
[9:32pm] Bosun: feels more like a national party
[9:32pm] roarde: Anyone know of activity in GA? K`tetch said it was dormant a couple of weeks ago, and I've not heard differently.
[9:32pm] jokeefe: NY, GA, FL, WA, OR, NH, MD, AZ could use some help
[9:32pm] Bosun: I will look into DC incorporation so we can act like the big parties
[9:32pm] jokeefe: K`Tetch offered to be a contact
[9:32pm] glompix: i'm in WA and would lov to chip in but i'm not sure where would be best to start
[9:32pm] roarde: ah
[9:32pm] jokeefe: DC was active a while ago
[9:32pm] glompix: it woudl be cool if we had a jira or something to organize on
[9:33pm] disrpt: IL (Chicago) here. Not clear how I can help but want to. A bit of a daunting task it seems so playbook would be good.
[9:33pm] glompix: collectively template out what each state could do as a starting point
[9:33pm] Bosun: Be nice to have someone act as registered agent in DC
[9:33pm] Bluestreak: roarde are you in GA?
[9:33pm] jokeefe: glompix, check out https://wiki.pirate-party.us/Washington
[9:33pm] papegaai: Title: Washington - United States Pirate Party (at wiki.pirate-party.us)
[9:33pm] glompix: oh sweet, haven't seen that yet
[9:34pm] roarde: I am Bluestreak, but severely time-and-location constrained. Can't regularly answer queries.
[9:34pm] jokeefe: glompix, suggest starting with the Facebook page/group and twitter
[9:34pm] glompix: amazing, thanks
[9:34pm] jokeefe: glompix, did you sign up at crew.uspirates.org ?
[9:34pm] glompix: think so
[9:35pm] jokeefe: Good
[9:35pm] disrpt: what's better? hello@ alias or crew.uspirates.org?
[9:35pm] jokeefe: both
[9:36pm] Bosun: I want to delegate states to at least one point of contact on crew
[9:36pm] jokeefe: agreed
[9:36pm] Bosun: crew.uspirates.org - our CiviCRM
[9:36pm] jokeefe: that is where it should be
[9:36pm] jokeefe: email alias won’t scale
[9:37pm] jokeefe: glompix, can help reach out to some folks there, would appreciate it if you emailed hellp@pirate-pirate.us and I will introduce
[9:37pm] Bluestreak: roarde that is how I started out. Don;t be afraid to just step up and forgive yourself for not always getting abck to ppl
[9:37pm] Bosun: Yes and states should run their own list
[9:37pm] Bosun: or lists - with whatever the feel good with
[9:37pm] jokeefe: As Falkvinge says: We make decisions. We aren’t afraid to try out new things, new ways to shape opinion and drive the public debate. We make decisions without asking anybody’s permission, and we stand for them. Sometimes, things go wrong. It’s always okay to make a mistake in the Pirate Party, as long as one is capable of learning from that mistake. Here’s where the famous “three-pirate rule” comes into play: if three self-identified pirates are in agreement that some kind of activism is beneficial to the party, they have authority to act in the party’s name. They can even be reimbursed for expenses related to such activism, as long as it is reasonable (wood sticks, glue, and paint are reasonable; computer equipment and jumbotrons are not).
[9:37pm] jokeefe: https://blog.pirate-party.us/we-need-you-here-are-some-tools/
[9:37pm] papegaai: Title: We need you! Here are some tools! | United States Pirate Party (at blog.pirate-party.us)
[9:37pm] jokeefe: agreed Bosun
[9:38pm] roarde: it wouldn't be a rare miss right now Bluestreak. more like "almost never". i have other things in mind.
[9:38pm] roarde: i do drudge work very willingly, btw
[9:38pm] Bosun: 'm not big on hard and fast rules
[9:39pm] Sayyida: If any data entry is needed i am game
[9:39pm] jokeefe: thanks
[9:40pm] Bosun: OK can we get Maine on the map?
[9:40pm] Bluestreak: roarde try joining our wokring group if you use FB? Ask for GA support there?
[9:40pm] jokeefe: So 1) Reach out to old state contacts
[9:40pm] roarde: i never, ever use FB
[9:41pm] jokeefe: I hear you
[9:41pm] Bluestreak: OK np
[9:41pm] Bosun: Grandma uses FB - it is a good outreach tool
[9:41pm] jokeefe: Bluestreak would be happy to help reach out to pages/groups 
[9:42pm] jokeefe: 2) Create state party contact aliases
[9:42pm] Bosun: We could use someone on Reddit
[9:42pm] jokeefe: 3) Update get organized documents
[9:42pm] jokeefe: 4) Get email announce list up
[9:43pm] jokeefe: Should we have a discussion list separate from SAB or pirate-it or platform@
[9:43pm] jokeefe: ?
[9:43pm] roarde: btw: SAB?
[9:43pm] Bluestreak: State Asdvicosry board
[9:43pm] jokeefe: State contacts email list
[9:43pm] jokeefe: Perhaps discuss@ ?
[9:44pm] Bosun: I hate the platform issue
[9:44pm] Bluestreak: and yes, Jamie we totally should
[9:44pm] Bluestreak: Can you set that up?
[9:45pm] Bluestreak: SAB is for state memebers, but what about interested people that haven't got a party yet?
[9:45pm] jokeefe: yes
[9:45pm] Bluestreak: OK joe?
[9:46pm] jokeefe: Having a defined code of conduct would hopefully keep trolling down - https://masspirates.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct
[9:46pm] papegaai: Title: Code of Conduct - Mass Pirate Wiki (at masspirates.org)
[9:46pm] jokeefe: just an idea
[9:46pm] Bosun: I am only concerned about too much noise.
[9:46pm] jokeefe: Yeah, once it gets too large, should divide into states
[9:47pm] Bosun: OK  open it up, let's see what happens - we should subdivide if it gets crazy
[9:48pm] Bluestreak: what is the hello pirate email pls?
[9:48pm] Bluestreak: writing a post
[9:48pm] Bosun: Can we wrap this  up in 22 minutes?
[9:48pm] Bluestreak: Sure np
[9:49pm] Bluestreak: Move to have another meeting in 2 weeks?
[9:49pm] masslap: quicker?
[9:49pm] Sayyida: second
[9:49pm] jokeefe: Suggest in a week
[9:49pm] Bluestreak: Fine with me
[9:49pm] Bluestreak: Didnt' want to be pushy
[9:49pm] jokeefe: At least until we get states up
[9:49pm] Bluestreak: So moved?
[9:49pm] jokeefe: 2nd
[9:50pm] Bosun: Ok - same bat time next week?
[9:50pm] Bluestreak: Aye
[9:50pm] jokeefe: sure
[9:50pm] Bosun: aye
[9:50pm] Sayyida: aye
[9:50pm] Bosun: paassed
[9:50pm] masslap: aye
[9:51pm] jokeefe: so … discussion list or just expand SAB?
[9:51pm] Bosun: Next item?
[9:51pm] Bosun: flip a coin
[9:51pm] Sayyida: heads
[9:52pm] Bluestreak: sep list
[9:52pm] masslap: social media campaign
[9:52pm] Bosun: ok
[9:52pm] Bluestreak: seperate list please
[9:52pm] Bosun: we all agree sep list?
[9:52pm] jokeefe: Lets expand SAB, but get a handle on who is a state rep. with voting privs.
[9:52pm] jokeefe: SAB is too quiet 
[9:52pm] Bluestreak: I defer to the group
[9:53pm] Bosun: How about rule of three - three in a state who agree to shoe up at the meeting gives the state a vote
[9:54pm] Bosun: show ...
[9:54pm] Sayyida: sounds right
[9:54pm] Bosun: State delegates must agree on their rep.
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[9:55pm] Bosun: ????
[9:55pm] jokeefe: works for now
[9:56pm] Bluestreak: masslap was asking about social media?
[9:56pm] Bosun: ChanServe does not like me
[9:56pm] masslap: yes. boost reputation, draw in supporters
[9:56pm] Channel6: hi
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[9:58pm] jokeefe: masslap: what should be in a social media campaign?
[9:58pm] masslap: is it possible to prioritize boosting the notoriety of the party and building the core through an aggressive social media campaign?
[9:59pm] jokeefe: sure
[9:59pm] roarde: access list. or Bosun may have no-op set (unlikely)
[9:59pm] Bluestreak: Are you volunteering masslap?
[9:59pm] masslap: attacking the crooks
[9:59pm] jokeefe: Might be good to have at least one state contact be able to post on @uspirates on tweetdeck
[9:59pm] masslap: i would love to help
[10:00pm] Bluestreak: great, email me sutralu@gmail.com
[10:00pm] jokeefe: thanks
[10:00pm] jokeefe: so, we are at the 1 hour mark
[10:00pm] masslap: part of the efforts that are so effective in iceland are the attacks on the wealthy
[10:00pm] jokeefe: they have had a sweet deal
[10:01pm] jokeefe: falkvinge recommends keeping meetings short
[10:01pm] Bluestreak: email me we are at time.
[10:01pm] jokeefe: shall we adjourn?
[10:01pm] Bluestreak: OK masslap?
[10:01pm] Bluestreak: 2nd motion to adj
[10:01pm] masslap: deal
[10:02pm] Bosun: True used the right rhetoric but he is rich
[10:02pm] Bosun: yes ... next week
[10:02pm] Bluestreak: Great meeting!
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[10:02pm] Bosun: adjourn?
[10:02pm] Sayyida: 2nd
[10:02pm] jokeefe: works for me
[10:02pm] dennyj_: Thank you
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[10:03pm] jokeefe: thanks all!
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